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Old 06-04-2012, 15:10   #21
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Guys...Small question, we buy amulets because we:

a. either like the particular monk
b. have believe and interest in a particular monk
c. Have faith in our religion and want something as a keepsake or reminder, because we are weak minded

If the said amulets have helped us, fake or real, what is the problem? I was in Bkk recently and a very well respected collector said this to me:

Amulets were created to help us with our believe in the past, great gurus such as LP Ngern, LP Suk, AC Toh made amulets for everyone who came to see them, because they felt it was their duty..Today, us collectors only want to make money...Pantip and all the various competitions are the cause of all these commercialisation of what is meant to be a sacred item...Be it from a respected Guru Monk, or a someone unknown, each was made with Buddhism in mind, but us collector play on their commercial value...If money is important, watches, and gold are a better prospect as there are industry prices for one to speculate on...Amulets are on the fancy of the Dealers and Judges...

I don't support any dealer, but to see a conversation degrade to a level of snipes and remarks on a forum which is meant for information sharing, it doesn't give me faith as to why we started this hobby, or passion...

My 20 cents without prejudice...
So you are saying you won't mind a fake amulet being sold as the real (high) price??

We are not talking like $100 or $200 leh... The higher they can get from unsuspecting buyers is thru wonderful sales talk.

I dun hate any dealers... but i do despise those who tell wonderful stories about how they got their fake pieces, selling the fakes and still got no shame and act righteous about what they are doing...

In fact alot dealers are already hating me to the core for posting up some very sensitive topics... haha!

I dun see this thread as degrading to a level of snipes and remarks. Rather a thread which to "warn" unsuspecting members to some of the dealers dealing with Luang Phor Pinut's amulets.

Coming back to the competition, it's a really really good chance to see if ppl whom got from these local dealers if theirs is the real macoy or not... and if they match the standards of being a real beautiful piece or not.

If you can "spot", then it's your blessing... but if you cannot "spot" then at least when embarking Luang Phor Pinut's you prob will be more cautions before parting with your money.

This... is my 5 cents worth of thoughts also without prejudice...
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Old 06-04-2012, 15:32   #22
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Amulets were created to help us with our believe in the past, great gurus such as LP Ngern, LP Suk, AC Toh made amulets for everyone who came to see them, because they felt it was their duty..Today, us collectors only want to make money...Pantip and all the various competitions are the cause of all these commercialisation of what is meant to be a sacred item...Be it from a respected Guru Monk, or a someone unknown, each was made with Buddhism in mind, but us collector play on their commercial value...If money is important, watches, and gold are a better prospect as there are industry prices for one to speculate on...Amulets are on the fancy of the Dealers and Judges...
Looking back at your past postings... I think you are contradicting your good self when you are talking about better resale values, which is a better buy, sourcing to buy a beautiful piece etc in some of your past posts?

http://www.siamamulets.com/showpost....53&postcount=1

http://www.siamamulets.com/showpost....3&postcount=11

http://www.siamamulets.com/showthrea...51#post1111151

Got me alittle confused on your point about how you see the speculation of amulets in the market...

Seeing your collection, I assume you are not light handed with lotsa kar ching kar ching to chow high end amulets... Even Kruba Wang made by for the royal family you also have!

But for poor ppl like me, will like to make sure properly when I'm getting something really expensive to wear or collect ba... Who ask me to be poor? Hahaha!

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Looking back at your past postings... I think you are contradicting your good self when you are talking about better resale values, which is a better buy, sourcing to buy a beautiful piece etc in some of your past posts?

http://www.siamamulets.com/showpost....53&postcount=1

http://www.siamamulets.com/showpost....3&postcount=11

http://www.siamamulets.com/showthrea...51#post1111151

Got me alittle confused on your point about how you see the speculation of amulets in the market...

Seeing your collection, I assume you are not light handed with lotsa kar ching kar ching to chow high end amulets... Even Kruba Wang made by for the royal family you also have!

But for poor ppl like me, will like to make sure properly when I'm getting something really expensive to wear or collect ba... Who ask me to be poor? Hahaha!
Bro,

I never said I was above it...I did mention it was my friend who said it, and I was just with him earlier this week in Bkk which made me think alittle...What I collect and have said in the past in my view, I agree...but I have never taken or accused any dealer even if I was taken for a ride...Buyer willing, what is the seller going to do?

You have an issue with my post, I am always free for coffee and you can take it up to me if I have wronged you...it wasn't one made in spite of anyone on the forum...If you felt that way, I apolgise as it wasn't my intention...but it begs to differ as to what your intentions are now...
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So you are saying you won't mind a fake amulet being sold as the real (high) price??

We are not talking like $100 or $200 leh... The higher they can get from unsuspecting buyers is thru wonderful sales talk.

I dun hate any dealers... but i do despise those who tell wonderful stories about how they got their fake pieces, selling the fakes and still got no shame and act righteous about what they are doing...

In fact alot dealers are already hating me to the core for posting up some very sensitive topics... haha!

I dun see this thread as degrading to a level of snipes and remarks. Rather a thread which to "warn" unsuspecting members to some of the dealers dealing with Luang Phor Pinut's amulets.

Coming back to the competition, it's a really really good chance to see if ppl whom got from these local dealers if theirs is the real macoy or not... and if they match the standards of being a real beautiful piece or not.

If you can "spot", then it's your blessing... but if you cannot "spot" then at least when embarking Luang Phor Pinut's you prob will be more cautions before parting with your money.

This... is my 5 cents worth of thoughts also without prejudice...
Bro...go to Pantip, everyone is spotting everyone there...Buyer willing, seller willing, that is the nature of a free market...

Also, going to a competition doesn't necessarily mean that you will get confirmation, it depends on who is running the competition, and what their policies are for identification. If one really has doubts, go to Pantip and get the Thai Amulet Association to authenticate it, if it is a maintstream piece, 80% of the time, they will know how to authenticate it and get a certificate to show you it's authentic...

Have dealt this way in Bkk for years, and they will keep dealing this way...If old time collectors work this way, I assume us international folks can follow their rules

That is all I have to say on the topic, as I had some free time...and trust me, I have had my fair share of disappointments, but these are all school fees...I jumped in and I guess we all have to learn at some point, hopefully, it is more like public school vs private school...
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Bro,

I never said I was above it...I did mention it was my friend who said it, and I was just with him earlier this week in Bkk which made me think alittle...What I collect and have said in the past in my view, I agree...but I have never taken or accused any dealer even if I was taken for a ride...Buyer willing, what is the seller going to do?

You have an issue with my post, I am always free for coffee and you can take it up to me if I have wronged you...it wasn't one made in spite of anyone on the forum...If you felt that way, I apolgise as it wasn't my intention...but it begs to differ as to what your intentions are now...
Bro.. I read clearly that it was your friend whom quoted.. And I totally agreed with what your friend said.. I was confuse that you posted the quote here and left me pondering.. Esp on the part where why shd care if the amulet is real or fake...

Not everyone is as big hearted as you when taken for a ride from some unethical dealers thinking they can get away with all the things they had done.

I'm sorry if you in anyway had been ruffled by my replies as that's not my intention too..

My intention here is very clear...

1) To let everyone in the forum to know the upcoming competition where Luang Phor Pinut's amulets are going to be competed for the first time. Hence it's a good chance for the many whom own them to go see how their pieces standards are.

2) To let known that there are alot of fakes circulating ard from some of our own local dealers. Whether I'm just spewing nonsense or not, just send in an see for one's ownself from one of the best sources at this competition.

Great if can catch up for a cuppa! Cos lotsa things are not presented well in the form of words... My number is 97919200.. Be back town tomorrow... Can whatsapps or catch up for a proper chat ba!
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Great if can catch up for a cuppa! Cos lotsa things are not presented well in the form of words... My number is 97919200.. Be back town tomorrow... Can whatsapps or catch up for a proper chat ba!
dei, no flirting in amulet competiton thread

Anyway its good that both of u can end this debate maturely
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dei, no flirting in amulet competiton thread

Anyway its good that both of u can end this debate maturely
Yes boss!! No lah.. I was really having a good discussion with bro jenson... Sometimes can really sound heated in the forums.. That's why I say it's not a good way of communicating with words alone...

It's was nice and gracious attitude of bro jenson too...
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If the said amulets have helped us, fake or real, what is the problem?
Hi jensen, fake and real is a big problem to me, if you wear fake, anything happen the fake amulet won't Po Pii you. fake i rather wear a stone
Like what bro sean have said, fake sell at real price, at Thainalom Market the fake pinut's item are selling few hundred thai bht, brought into singapore and sell it at few SGD hundred to few thousand dollar. and tell the customer 100% genuine, talk loud loud said refund 200% if found fake.
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Hi jensen, fake and real is a big problem to me, if you wear fake, anything happen the fake amulet won't Po Pii you. fake i rather wear a stone
Like what bro sean have said, fake sell at real price, at Thainalom Market the fake pinut's item are selling few hundred thai bht, brought into singapore and sell it at few SGD hundred to few thousand dollar. and tell the customer 100% genuine, talk loud loud said refund 200% if found fake.
Bro,

If anything protects u, it is your believe in LP not just the amulet...look at LPT amulets, even fake can also protect people from bad accident...

If you are in a commercial transaction and are looking at it with investment in mind, yes, fake or real is important...otherwise there is no value and you might as well be holding on to a stone on the road...

Bro...I hope I haven't ruffled your feathers, it is just my thoughts...and on another note, it seems you are implying to a particular shop which I understand has made these claims...remember, even the mOst self respecting dealer in Pantip has many claims which when you exercise them, are non existent...so I always practice one principle...buyer willing seller willing...school fees are a natural way of business when it comes to amulets...if you are not sure, don't buy, or do your research or find a friend who can help...

My take on this...Dealers are businessmen after all...
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If anything protects u, it is your believe in LP not just the amulet...look at LPT amulets, even fake can also protect people from bad accident...
I dun quite agree with the above... LPT is LPT... Cos He did mention that wearing just his image whether real or fake, He will still protect the wearer (Correct me if I'm wrong?)

Yes.. believe in the Luang Phor/maker is one thing... but we can't really compare like this in general dun you agree?

If that's the case, bro jensen you dun have to collect all the high end stuffs le.. Just get the imitation piece can le mah?

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Bro...I hope I haven't ruffled your feathers, it is just my thoughts...and on another note, it seems you are implying to a particular shop which I understand has made these claims...remember, even the mOst self respecting dealer in Pantip has many claims which when you exercise them, are non existent...so I always practice one principle...buyer willing seller willing...school fees are a natural way of business when it comes to amulets...if you are not sure, don't buy, or do your research or find a friend who can help...

My take on this...Dealers are businessmen after all...
Yes dealers are businessmen... but I always believe in conducting your business in a proper ethical way especially dealing with things like amulets (Religion). Selling more expensive then usual isn't wrong.. but selling fakes accompanied by the real high pricing? What's your take in this then?

Buyer willing seller willing.. yes it's true.. that's why I strongly like to caution against some scheming dealers so that the buyers/collectors can be more careful esp dealing with high end amulets.

Bro SaberRider's implying of a particular shop may be very strong worded... I'm also taking it easy with his postings due to his "few" postings. Then again, I dun think that particular dealer will be ruffed in any way if his stuffs are the real MacCoys.

Talking about Pantip... If we are talking about those self respecting dealer have a reputation themselves, most won't risk it smashing their rice bowl for a quick deal or two unlike some of the dirty ones.

I did had a couple of times when I traded in my amulets brought from them with no questions asked but with a percentage cut when I showed them the card that the amulets were brought from the shop.

School fees are a natural way of business when it comes to amulets... Prob you are right.. Then again this is the modern world with internet. It's so much easier to gain information nowadays compared to the past.

Yes, some may be gullible or trusting to get from dealers blowing a hot story on how they obtained their amulets etc... This can only derive by them not doing enuff proper research.. but does that mean that the erred dealer does not have any responsible at all? Also those who claimed that money back guarantee (Regardless of how many percent) are non existent, just for show and when we want to exercise them, we got to LLST?
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